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How to describe coffee flavors

Postby BenMar on Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:20 am

i have been a long time HB reader and now feel i must post a question.
First off, i believe i make decent espresso. I am very technical, everything about my preparation is controlled. i enjoy more than anything making and drinking espresso.
Now, the one problem i have is detecting or describing the flavors in my cup. I am very impressed with how coffee is described here and other places. I can tell when a coffee is good or bad, balanced or not, bright, bitter sweet, or sour and the sort. but describing it like "nutty", "sweet plum", "caramel" and other fancy descriptions, i just don't feel it.
the only thing i have ever felt in a cup is chocolate. i do taste other delightful flavors, but i cant seem to relate them to a non-coffee flavor to describe it.
is this something that comes with experience? is there some sort of training I am missing here? what can i do?
i would love to hear how all of you have gotten to this point so i and others can learn.
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Postby another_jim on Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:18 am

When you taste, smell first, then swirl the coffee to cover all your tongue and palate, then chew a while to get the aftertaste. That way the flavors are easier to discern.

The most standard listing of flavors is on Ted Lingle's coffee flavor wheel.

The left side of the wheel is not very accurate. First off, it does not show Lingle's intent of classifying the more detailed flavors as combinations of the fewer basic flavors. Second, the idea that flavors can be built up as combinations of four or five basic tastes is most likely false, since there are roughly thirty or so known tongue receptors for specific bitter and savory compounds, with more to come.

The right side of the wheel is very useful. It works by classifiying flavors from the lightest and most volatile compounds to the heaviest and least volatile. An actual coffee' flavors will often be like a slice of pie from that circle, with lighter roasts at the top and darker roasts moving clockwise.

You can start by discerning the broadest categories -- acids (aka "enzymatics"), caramels and distillates -- and then working your way to the more detailed flavors. Here too, I think a revision may be needed. What is classified as nut-like and malt-like needs its own separate division, since these flavors develop earlier in the roast than caramels, and are frequently accompanied by woody, toasty and savory flavors.
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Postby yakster on Thu Apr 07, 2011 1:07 pm

Maybe attending a tasting event or two at your favorite shop where you could get use to vocalizing what you taste and hearing others talk about what they taste would help map it out.

It looks like there's some events on the Intelligentsia Calendar you could check out. (Click on Retail Classes and then the Calendar link, apparently you can't directly link to the calendar) The Pasadena Espresso Demo/Tasting on the 13th looks interesting.

I know that the few public and private cuppings I've been lucky enough to attend have really helped me build up my vocabulary / mapping and confidence.
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Postby Marshall on Thu Apr 07, 2011 2:00 pm

Jones Coffee in Pasadena has weekly Coffee Basics programs and frequent Introduction to Cupping classes. The next cupping class (limited to 5 people) is April 19: http://www.thebestcoffee.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=95&products_id=789. The Grilled Cheese Truck will be there, too. (I would cup first!).
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Postby entropyembrace on Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:11 pm

My opinion is that you need to relax, drink slowly, move the coffee around your mouth and really just focus on the experience. Then associations with other foods and such can come to mind easily and they won't be exactly the same associations that other people get, especially if they grew up in another culture. I don't think there's going to be exact, repeatable results since taste is a very subjective experience. It's really more about learning how to describle your individual experience to share it with others...it will be similar to others if you're drinking the same thing but not the same.
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Postby Alvin.A on Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:23 pm

get your hands on some fresh Ethiopian Yirgacheffe. and do the above suggestion. you will definitely see something there.
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