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Dark roasted coffee and crema - any relation?

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Link to "Dark roasted coffee and crema - any relation?"by uranium on Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:06 am

I have been experimenting with dark roast (until the beans are all covered with oil, some people call it French or Italian roast) in my espresso blends and notice that I am getting less crema in my espresso shots. Is there any relation between dark roasted beans and crema production?
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Link to "Dark roasted coffee and crema - any relation?"by Ken Fox on Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:21 am

I don't think there is very much of a relationship between crema production in espresso making and the roast level.

I was recently sent some samples of coffee from a professional roaster. They were so darkly roasted that I would instead call them "incinerated" rather than "darkly roasted." There were also a lot of roasting defects such as divots on a large percentage of the beans. The couple of shots I pulled on them were absolutely gorgeous, with abundant crema and the sort of shot appearance through a bottomless PF that you could have videoed and posted on the internet as being an example of sterling barista technique.

Nonetheless, the espresso was atrocious, absolutely undrinkable. I spat all of my tastes down the sink. And, when I served more of this coffee to a friend later that day, a friend who knows a good shot from a poor one, he looked like he was about to vomit a few seconds after the first taste of the shot touched his lips.

People make too much of the importance of crema. A reasonable amount of crema is going to be present in any good shot, however the presence of it is merely a necessary but not sufficient condition for having produced a good shot of espresso.

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Link to "Dark roasted coffee and crema - any relation?"by farmroast on Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:07 am

Geeez Ken did you warn your friend?
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Link to "Dark roasted coffee and crema - any relation?"by Ken Fox on Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:26 am

farmroast wrote:Geeez Ken did you warn your friend?


Not exactly. The coffee was sent to me by a restaurateur who uses this coffee in his restaurant and who (apparently) thought he would impress me with its quality by expressing me a couple of pounds worth of samples. What I said to my friend was, "this is a micro roasted coffee from a roaster who provides coffee to high end restaurants; what do you think of it?"

I didn't want to bias him by saying that I though it tasted like an exploded tree from the middle of a raging forest fire, so, I let him draw his own conclusions :mrgreen:
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Link to "Dark roasted coffee and crema - any relation?"by timo888 on Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:02 am

Ken Fox wrote:Not exactly. The coffee was sent to me by a restaurateur who uses this coffee in his restaurant and who (apparently) thought he would impress me with its quality by expressing me a couple of pounds worth of samples. What I said to my friend was, "this is a micro roasted coffee from a roaster who provides coffee to high end restaurants; what do you think of it?"

I didn't want to bias him by saying that I though it tasted like an exploded tree from the middle of a raging forest fire, so, I let him draw his own conclusions :mrgreen:


But if you grind that charred cellulose with an excellent grinder, seal it in a can with nitrogen for a few months, and then use a cheap low-end machine to make the brew, you just might get a drinkable beverage, as long as you are not using a cheap-o plastic tamper. :wink:
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Link to "Dark roasted coffee and crema - any relation?"by APalmer on Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:43 pm

This is one example of why I think it's not the best technique to solely judge a shot by its pour. You really don't get the whole picture. As long as it isn't obviously flawed, taste it. I think too many people dump potentially tasty shots because it doesn't look like the videos.
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Link to "Dark roasted coffee and crema - any relation?"by morgant on Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:35 pm

APalmer wrote:This is one example of why I think it's not the best technique to solely judge a shot by its pour. You really don't get the whole picture. As long as it isn't obviously flawed, taste it. I think too many people dump potentially tasty shots because it doesn't look like the videos.

I never dump a shot without tasting it first, even if I'm absolutely certain it's going to be terrible.
Occasionally I'll force myself to finish sink shots, just to see if it changes or develops in any way.
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