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Can any spices be pre- blended into espresso grind?

Postby farmroast on Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:42 am

I'm not into syrups or bean flavorings but have wondered if any spices can/have been added to the grind before pulling? Grinding the spice separate from the coffee and then mixing. I was thinking more on the milk drink recipe possibility.
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Postby Marc on Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:53 am

A lot of grocery wholesalers like Van Houtt and others have some flavoring like Vanilla or spice.

Having taste to one of those kind before, it was pretty bad and would not recommend it...

Speciality coffee industry emphasize on bean quality and their own original flavor so it's unlikely that it will happen

Maybe if you're looking into milk drink, look more on the milk side by infusing it before steaming. I've already done a latte try with some leftover milk infused with chestnut and vanilla. It wasn't bad but too sweet for my taste as the milk had been sweeten.
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Postby another_jim on Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:58 am

Not sure if this helps: The Cuban cafes in Miami prefer adding sugar to the PF before pulling the shot rather than to the shot itself. I've also seen some do chocolate in the same way. There may be something to their claim that this makes for a better mouthfeel than adding the ingredients afterwards.

Purists, both in Italy and here, frown on the practice, and say it can mess up the group (in Barista competition, adding anything to the PF except coffee, even for the specialty drink, results in immediate disqualification)

I'm guessing any dry additive would work, but that you'd need to do a backflush afterwards to get back to pure straight shots.
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Postby farmroast on Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:08 am

I can yank my lever piston and clean pretty easily if need be and use a bottomless. With a lever I should be able to keep any back flow down. No reason to over do it with spice either. Can't see why at home(no rules) it couldn't possibly produce a nice specialty drink.
Fresh spices might be important since they would be heated and extracted same as the coffee. What different spices would do to the feel would be a big issue.
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Postby Randy G. on Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:15 am

I would wonder - and not that I would ever consider doing such a thing - but would adding something to the water during the extraction affect the extraction of elements of the coffee in some way?
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Postby another_jim on Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:21 am

farmroast wrote:I can yank my lever piston and clean pretty easily if need be and use a bottomless.


Seems like the best machine with which to do this.
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Postby aecletec on Fri Dec 31, 2010 5:37 am

Would adding the spice to the bottom of the basket, before the coffee, help reduce the problems associated with putting bizarre things in a portafilter...?
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Postby coffee.me on Fri Dec 31, 2010 7:27 am

farmroast wrote: .... but have wondered if any spices can/have been added to the grind before pulling?


Old world coffee blenders: cardamom and cinnamon. Masala Chai (or simply Chai) is basically milk+tea+spices. Turkish coffee is sometimes prepared with a coffee+hint of spice mix. Bedouin Arabic coffee uses spices too.

Adding either cardamom or cinnamon (but not both) to the PF has always intrigued me. There's the challenge of grinding them to espresso grind consistency then mixing them up correctly to maintain puck consistency to avoid channeling. That's such a big challenge that I haven't yet been able to do it correctly, the puck channels or I don't get much spice taste.

I'd probably go with mixing these spices with the milk then steam it (then filter the big spice chuncks out?). That would hopefully get you the spice hints you're looking for without the other troubles.

I'll go try some cardamom cappuccino with my dark roasted Kenya right away :)
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Postby coffee.me on Fri Dec 31, 2010 7:59 am

coffee.me wrote:I'd probably go with mixing these spices with the milk then steam it (then filter the big spice chuncks out?). That would hopefully get you the spice hints you're looking for without the other troubles.

I'll go try some cardamom cappuccino with my dark roasted Kenya right away :)


Done, it works and the cardamom was loud and clear. I had to add a little sugar as the cappuccino was too "cardamomy". After the sugar, it tasted like a fancy version of Chai rather than a cappuccino.

But yeah, it works, add your spices to the milk to build up your spice cappuccino/latte recipe. The coffee used is also part of the reciepe, but that's the part we already know.
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Postby HB on Fri Dec 31, 2010 11:53 am

another_jim wrote:Seems like the best machine with which to do this.

Or the mypressi TWIST.
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