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Postby zin1953 on Sun Feb 28, 2010 11:06 pm

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/02/28/state/n105757S94.DTL

Greg Bluestein wrote:"Starbucks is a special target because it's from the hippie West Coast, and a lot of dedicated consumers who pay $4 for coffee have expectations that Starbucks would ban guns. And here they aren't," said John Bruce, a political science professor at the University of Mississippi who is an expert in gun policy.

Welch, a 71-year-old retired property manager who lives in Richmond, Va., doesn't see any reason why he shouldn't bear arms while he gets caffeinated.

"I don't know of anybody who would provide me with defense other than myself, so I routinely as a way of life carry a weapon — and that extends to my coffee shops," he said.

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Postby Cathi on Sun Feb 28, 2010 11:55 pm

Seriously? Add that to the list of why the barista shalt NOT piss off the customer! Sheesh.
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Postby Psyd on Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:08 am

Cathi wrote:Seriously? Add that to the list of why the barista shalt NOT piss off the customer! Sheesh.


An armed society is a polite society...

There ain't nothing wrong with guns. Just a lot wrong with people. Decent folk, that aren't jerks, with guns just weigh two and a half more pounds. It's jerks with guns that are problematic. I say we start sterilizing jerks until we start to run low...
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Postby erik996 on Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:16 am

Psyd wrote:An armed society is a polite society...

There ain't nothing wrong with guns. Just a lot wrong with people. Decent folk, that aren't jerks, with guns just weigh two and a half more pounds. It's jerks with guns that are problematic. I say we start sterilizing jerks until we start to run low...


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Postby Cathi on Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:28 am

Psyd wrote:It's jerks with guns that are problematic.

Agreed, mostly. To each his own, but not for me. I would be very uncomfortable in such an environment. If I was in an establishment and I noticed someone other than a law enforcement officer with a firearm, I'd "beat feet" outta there.
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Postby RapidCoffee on Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:44 am

Psyd wrote:An armed society is a polite society...

And bigger stockpiles of nuclear weapons help make this a safer planet. :roll:

Yet another reason to become a home barista...
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Postby erik996 on Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:33 am

Not much love for the 2nd Amendment I see. Started with the snarky comment implying that a barista would be harmed by pissing off an armed customer, followed by the "I'm afraid of guns" crowd.

Personally, I highly respect a person's right to be armed within the confines of local law, but I would never go around openly carrying in the PNW. Too many people freak out if they see a gun, so it rarely happens here (Portland, OR area.) I've seen it once (legally) and it was at 3:30am at a mini mart. It caught me off guard, but I didn't run away in a tizzy. I understand the 'open carry' crowd and the political statement they are making, but as I mentioned before, there are some practical problems with doing so in urban Oregon and Washington.

As an aside, the "an armed society is a polite society" comment is NOT about people being scared to speak their minds or fearing death if they aren't polite, nor is it akin to a nuclear deterrent. It refers to the general type of person who normally carries a gun. I've been a part of the "gun culture" for well over a decade, and I can tell you from first hand experience that the people I meet and associate with in the "gun culture" are the most polite and cordial people I've ever met. It has to do with respect for law, the value of personal responsibility and a sense of independence. Of course there are jerks in any social demographic, but in my experience those are a distinct minority.

It seems to me the least polite posts here are from the anti-gun crowd. Go figure.
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Postby Cathi on Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:00 am

Eric, what you took as "snarky" I intended as humor. It is unfortunate you see my posts as impolite. I took care in my follow up response in effort to avoid just that. I don't see the same care in your response, however. You are free to express your opinion as am I. No snarkyness or rudeness intended on my part.
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Postby scottyb on Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:13 am

Starbucks was approached by an anti gun organization know as the Brady campaign and asked to voluntarily ban customers from Legally carrying a concealed firearm in there stores. they chose to deny this request for the following reasons:

1.) Customers that are carrying concealed have a right to do so (it's the very second amendment of our constitution).
2.) The customers that are carrying concealed in there stores have been doing so LEGALLY for years with no incident.
3.) the people that carry a concealed hand gun are licensed to do so by the state.
4.) These are the same customers that you see everyday at the bank, the grocery store, the barber shop, etc.
5.) There are more people that carry concealed for personal protection that you think.

Keep in mind in most locations it is only legal to carry concealed (with the proper permit), this means that no one else should even know that you are doing so. You will not be seeing a bunch of yahoos walking into Starbucks or any other retail establishment with a sidearm strapped to there hip for everyone to see.

Why would anyone need to carry a concealed handgun?

Here is a simple scenario that illustrates why one would want do this:

Say it's 10:00 pm and you are walking from Starbucks to your car in a dark and deserted parking lot. As you approach your car you are confronted by an assailant that demands you turn over your money. You reach into your pocket and comply with the demands, but your assailant believes you are holding out, becomes increasing violent and turns a weapon on you in an attempt to do harm.

In this situation you can:

A. draw your concealed firearm in self defense... Hopefully sending your assailant running without a shot fired.

Or

B. Be rendered completely helpless and at the mercy of one very bad person.

Here is a real life example of how legally carrying a firearm can save lives.

In an area of the country where it IS legal to carry openly (meaning in plan view) two men sat down for dinner at the local Waffle House. As they are eating a young man enters the establishment and walks nervously about the store, then quickly turns and walks out. Shortly after a police officer drives in and notices two cars suspiciously parked around the back of the Waffle house. When the officer goes to investigate he finds that both cars are full of would be burglars that are very well armed.

When asked why the were waiting outside they replayed that they were waiting for the two Legally armed citizens that were enjoying there meal to leave before they robbed the Waffle House (it should be noted that they thought they were cops). All of the suspects were taken into custody without incident and not a single shot was fired.

This is a true story that depicts the benefit of allowing citizens who are legally allowed to carry a concealed firearm to do so in ANY public place.

Now I am not advocating that everyone go out and buy a gun tomorrow, it is your RIGHT to choose to carry a firearm. If you don't feel comfortable having a firearm you are absolutely not required to do so. But please don't try to take away our second amendment rights in the process.

I hope this gives a little insight into why Starbucks would not choose to illegally ban customers who are well within there rights as American citizens from carrying concealed in there stores.

If you have any questions please feel free to ask, I would be more than happy to help in any way.

I will get off my soap box now :)

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Postby RapidCoffee on Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:54 am

I have tremendous respect for the Constitution and Bill of Rights. But no, a 70-something southern redneck carrying a firearm into Starbucks is not particularly reassuring to me. Neither are the gun-totin' yahoos who drive around in pickup trucks festooned with bumper stickers like the following:

* "An Armed Society is a Polite Society."
* "You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers."
* "My Wife Yes. My Dog Maybe. My Gun Never."
* "I just got a gun for my wife. It's the best trade I ever made."

At best, I would call this a nasty, misogynistic sort of humor. Polite? No way.

But all you card-carrying members of the NRA have nothing to worry about. I'm an obvious outlier.
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