Kalita Wave Experiences
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Happy Friday!
I just brewed up my first cup with my new Kalita 155. I used 27g for a 360ml yield with about 50ml for pre-infusion.
1. I ground 27 grams at ~1.5 turns from zero on my LIDO. Looked to be in a coarse drip range. I used a water temp of 201.
2. I pre-wetted the filter with a gentle pour right into the center.
3. I bloomed with about 50ml, allowed the coffee to off-gas for 30 seconds. After blooming, I continued on with pulse pouring until I hit 360 (I zeroed out the scale after pre-infusion). I finished pouring at 2:50 and it was done brewing at about 3:10-3:20.
All the timing seemed on based one what I have read. I am enjoying the cup as it cools and things taste good for my first go. I used a home roasted Kenyan. The filters are kind of a pain with the 155. I've seen videos of the 185 brewing and the filter holds its shape quite well during the pre-wet, but the 155, even with a gentle pour, deforms slightly in some areas. I'm not sure if this impacts the cup in any way, but the 155 filters get squeezed a bit when they are seated fully in the dripper.
An enjoyable first experience with this new dripper. Any other Wave users out there?
*update: the cup ended up tasting very strong and a bit over extracted. I went to another 1/8 coarser on the LIDO and 26 grams. Same result. Hmmm Will have to experiment more.
I just brewed up my first cup with my new Kalita 155. I used 27g for a 360ml yield with about 50ml for pre-infusion.
1. I ground 27 grams at ~1.5 turns from zero on my LIDO. Looked to be in a coarse drip range. I used a water temp of 201.
2. I pre-wetted the filter with a gentle pour right into the center.
3. I bloomed with about 50ml, allowed the coffee to off-gas for 30 seconds. After blooming, I continued on with pulse pouring until I hit 360 (I zeroed out the scale after pre-infusion). I finished pouring at 2:50 and it was done brewing at about 3:10-3:20.
All the timing seemed on based one what I have read. I am enjoying the cup as it cools and things taste good for my first go. I used a home roasted Kenyan. The filters are kind of a pain with the 155. I've seen videos of the 185 brewing and the filter holds its shape quite well during the pre-wet, but the 155, even with a gentle pour, deforms slightly in some areas. I'm not sure if this impacts the cup in any way, but the 155 filters get squeezed a bit when they are seated fully in the dripper.
An enjoyable first experience with this new dripper. Any other Wave users out there?
*update: the cup ended up tasting very strong and a bit over extracted. I went to another 1/8 coarser on the LIDO and 26 grams. Same result. Hmmm Will have to experiment more.
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I find the Wave to be efficient, and don't like to use more than 60 or 65 g/L. So to pour 350 mL, I'd use 21-22g of coffee, medium-coarse. I think about 1.5 CCW on the LIDO, but my zero has been shifting...
For the 155 filters, yes tricky. This is one way to maintain the shape. Wet your fingers and push down on the very bottom of the filter, so that it kind of sticks to the ridges down there. Then pour your filter-rinse. The idea is that once you pour the filter-rinse, you don't want the filter to drop down any further. Because if it drops down any further and the filter's in any way unbalanced--as it often is--then you'll get the drooping.
HTH!
For the 155 filters, yes tricky. This is one way to maintain the shape. Wet your fingers and push down on the very bottom of the filter, so that it kind of sticks to the ridges down there. Then pour your filter-rinse. The idea is that once you pour the filter-rinse, you don't want the filter to drop down any further. Because if it drops down any further and the filter's in any way unbalanced--as it often is--then you'll get the drooping.
HTH!
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Also, I hope American Coffee Trader will produce cloth filters for the Wave...not sure the ridges would be strictly necessary...
My current favorite pour-over is the Beehouse with cloth #2. Like the Wave, the Beehouse can easily produce an efficient (60g/L) and even extraction, and the cloth filter creates a brew far superior to paper imho.
My current favorite pour-over is the Beehouse with cloth #2. Like the Wave, the Beehouse can easily produce an efficient (60g/L) and even extraction, and the cloth filter creates a brew far superior to paper imho.
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I believe in one of Prima's write ups on the Kalita, they mentioned the efficiency factor. I guess comparing it to the V60 doses is not really possible. I thought my zero was shifting a bit on my LIDO, but its back to the brass washer. I think that when replacing the adjustment bar after a cleaning, I over tightened the nuts or something along tho lines, because I then repeated the process several times (bar removal) and my zero has consistently been at the brass washer.donnedonne wrote:I find the Wave to be efficient, and don't like to use more than 60 or 65 g/L. So to pour 350 mL, I'd use 21-22g of coffee, medium-coarse. I think about 1.5 CCW on the LIDO, but my zero has been shifting...
For the 155 filters, yes tricky. This is one way to maintain the shape. Wet your fingers and push down on the very bottom of the filter, so that it kind of sticks to the ridges down there. Then pour your filter-rinse. The idea is that once you pour the filter-rinse, you don't want the filter to drop down any further. Because if it drops down any further and the filter's in any way unbalanced--as it often is--then you'll get the drooping.
HTH!
On my next Wave, I'm going to aim for 1.5 and give a lower dose a try. 12oz in the 155 was definitely capacity, so I may try targeting some 8oz brews as well. I don't count my per infusion in overall brew water total, so i was blooming with 40-50, taring scale, and brewing with 360. Yield was 360. That's just my approach to brewing and how I learned the V60 from Barismo.
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I finally nailed down the filter rinse haha. I sped up my pour down the center and this helped the filter maintain its shape. I pushed the filter in holding it below the rim of the dripper and started my pour. The glass dripper does not have ridges like the ceramic and metal, but has a raised bubble instead bitween the three holes. This is the point at which the filter clings to the bottom of the dripper - it's similar to the raised ridges at the very bottom of the metal and ceramic and performs the same function, from what I can tell.donnedonne wrote:I find the Wave to be efficient, and don't like to use more than 60 or 65 g/L. So to pour 350 mL, I'd use 21-22g of coffee, medium-coarse. I think about 1.5 CCW on the LIDO, but my zero has been shifting...
For the 155 filters, yes tricky. This is one way to maintain the shape. Wet your fingers and push down on the very bottom of the filter, so that it kind of sticks to the ridges down there. Then pour your filter-rinse. The idea is that once you pour the filter-rinse, you don't want the filter to drop down any further. Because if it drops down any further and the filter's in any way unbalanced--as it often is--then you'll get the drooping.
HTH!
I just finished a brew. 24g/360ml, coarse drip grind on the LIDO. I pre-infused 50ml, waited 30 seconds for the bloom, and then used circular pulse pours. Brewing was done by 2:30. I know that when doing larger amounts/using the 185, 3-3:30 is recommended. Is this also the case for amounts under 400ml? I assume I could just adjust the grind based off of a 2:30-3min time to get a good extraction and tasty cup.
I brew solely pour over and have never quite grasped the difference in brew times with different brew ratios. For instance, for my V60-01 and 275ml, I go for 2 minutes. But with my V60-01 at 414ml, I aim for drawdown to end at 3min. I've never made a cup bigger than 414, so I am not sure if the time needs to continue going up, or if the time element is a bit looser.
Thanks
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For any Kalita users out there, I have really hit a nice sweet spot with this small dripper. 22g/360ml. Grind is 1 5/16ths on the LIDO, or just a touch past 1 1/4 turn. Water is 201-202F. Pre-infuse 40-45ml, pause for 30 seconds, pulse pours until 2:30. Taking tips from Nick Cho's videos, I make sure to wash the grounds off the ridges of the filter, so a solid flat puck of grounds forms in the bottom.
This dripper really produces a delicious cup at lower doses. To me, this is the biggest difference between the V60 and Kalita. I love my V60, but really found a sweet spot with higher doses. My favorite is 28g/416ml. Using ACT cloth filters, I get a really juicy and sweet cup. I get an equally pleasant cup from the Kalita and love how forgiving it is. I use it primarily in my office and cleanup is so easy. I heat my water in an electric kettle and move it over to a pouring kettle. After brewing, I dump my filter in the trash, wash my brewer with water, and I'm good to go.
I'm quite impressed.
This dripper really produces a delicious cup at lower doses. To me, this is the biggest difference between the V60 and Kalita. I love my V60, but really found a sweet spot with higher doses. My favorite is 28g/416ml. Using ACT cloth filters, I get a really juicy and sweet cup. I get an equally pleasant cup from the Kalita and love how forgiving it is. I use it primarily in my office and cleanup is so easy. I heat my water in an electric kettle and move it over to a pouring kettle. After brewing, I dump my filter in the trash, wash my brewer with water, and I'm good to go.
I'm quite impressed.
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I hate to keep posting in my own thread, but...
Just made the best cup yet in my Kalita 155. 22g/360ml. Pre-infused 40ml, waited 30 second, and then pulse poured the rest in very quick but VERY gentle circles. I paused for 5-10 seconds between each pour and had all the water in at 3 minutes. The drips ended at 3:30. The cup is extremely juicy, the coffee's subtleties are fully expressed, and there is absolutely no over extraction. This is one of the cleaner and more nuanced cups that I have had. I'm using a AA Tegu home roast 4-5 days old.
This is the second cup that I have done with a 3 minute pour and 3:30 total time and it definitely seems to be the sweet spot. For larger batches, I would grind coarser and pour more water in each pulse.
Happy brewing!
Just made the best cup yet in my Kalita 155. 22g/360ml. Pre-infused 40ml, waited 30 second, and then pulse poured the rest in very quick but VERY gentle circles. I paused for 5-10 seconds between each pour and had all the water in at 3 minutes. The drips ended at 3:30. The cup is extremely juicy, the coffee's subtleties are fully expressed, and there is absolutely no over extraction. This is one of the cleaner and more nuanced cups that I have had. I'm using a AA Tegu home roast 4-5 days old.
This is the second cup that I have done with a 3 minute pour and 3:30 total time and it definitely seems to be the sweet spot. For larger batches, I would grind coarser and pour more water in each pulse.
Happy brewing!
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Sam, keep posting, I'm reading with interest.
I signed up for the Kalita Wave Style traveling roadshow on the Green Coffee Buying Club and am awaiting my turn for a week at trying out this brewing device and am filing this information away for later use. I'll try to remember to post on this thread once it comes my way.
I signed up for the Kalita Wave Style traveling roadshow on the Green Coffee Buying Club and am awaiting my turn for a week at trying out this brewing device and am filing this information away for later use. I'll try to remember to post on this thread once it comes my way.
-Chris
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I'm glad someone is finding my posts helpful. There isn't much user experience on these drippers out there. When I say gentle pours, I mean getting the kettle's spout as close to the brew slurry as possible. Using the same ratio and the same amount of water poured each time, a 1-2 inch difference in height of my kettle, resulted in a 2 minute pour rather than a 3 minute pour. As you can imagine, the added momentum of the water made it push through the grounds faster. By pouring quickly (not have the water on one spot for more than a split second), but gentle (described above), I was able to get a fantastic extraction with a 3 minute pour. The drawdown time at the end may vary, but this 3 minute pour seems to be the golden number. As I said, I would brew with this timing for larger amounts as well, but would just increase the amount poured in each pulse. For instance, I would circle out from the middle and then back in to make sure I am getting more water in to hit 500ml or whatever at the 3 minute mark.
I hope that you enjoy the Kalita! I found that 1 5/16ths turns from zero works on my LIDO. That equates to a medium-coarse drip grind as a starting point.
I hope that you enjoy the Kalita! I found that 1 5/16ths turns from zero works on my LIDO. That equates to a medium-coarse drip grind as a starting point.
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I'm ready for the gentle pour, I've recently got a flow restrictor installed in my kettle which has made a big difference in an already narrow spout.
-Chris
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