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Hand Grinder Choice: Orphan Espresso PFP vs. Porlex vs. Kyocera CM-45

Postby AlecMoody on Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:01 am

I'm looking for a good hand grinder for a mix of pour over and french press. These 3 grinders seem to be good options and all sit in a very similar price range. Any thoughts on which I should go with?
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Postby jazz on Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:00 am

I've got the porlex mini handgrinder, so I will just share my thoughts on it, maybe it will help you.

Just to set the context in which I bought mine.

My main reasons for buying a handgrinder were:
* I wanted a second espresso grinder, which was quiet, so to grind espresso early mornings or late evenings, without disturbing S.O, kids, or neighbours
* Having a small manual grinder to pack together with aeropress for coffee when on vacation, so I'd get my fix of fresh coffee :lol:

I'm satisfied with the porlex grinder as it meets both of my requirements, but there are a couple of buts:
1) Grinding for espresso, takes some determination, as it takes a bit of time and effort, but not hard and doable. I spend approx. 4 minutes to grind 18 grs for my double short.
2) Adjusting the grind is not that easy, since you are just adjusting the lower burr in or out

But in terms of grind quality it's certainly able to choke my Izzo Alex Duetto, so it grinds fine enough for espresso, furthermore I like, that it leaves no mess, since I can transfer my ground coffee directly into the PF as the container (the bottom half of the grinder) fits into the the PF easily. The grind seems nice and even, also on coarser grinds. The coarser the grind the quicker it is to grind (and less turns on the handle) is needed. I would say for aeropress or french press it takes less than 1 minute for grinding 18 grs of coffee, but as I only drink espresso or caps @ home, I've not used the porlex for that yet.

The assembly quality seems nice and sturdy. The footprint is small and it would fit nicely with an aeropress for vacation or the occasional hiking trip.

Would I buy it again giving the demands I was trying to meet: Yes, for sure.

But for everyday use, I stick with my SJ, as it's far more convenient :D

My 2 cents, but I am not entirely convinced, I answered your question :-)
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Postby SlowRain on Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:22 am

The Porlex and Kyocera have the same burrs, but I find my Porlex gives a more consistent and fluffier espresso grind than my Kyocera, and with less static. If you think you may have use of it as an espresso grinder sometime, then I'd go with the Porlex. Otherwise I think the two are the same for the other grinds. The bigger Porlex holds slightly more beans in the chamber, but I think the Kyocera is easier to hold. I can't comment on the CM-50 PFP, but I'm very curious about it.

But I'm not sure I helped you either.
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Postby yakster on Wed Apr 06, 2011 12:57 pm

I own the Kyocera CM-45 CF hand grinder, so I can only speak to this one. I originally used it as my primary espresso grinder and camping/travel grinder, now I use it as my work espresso grinder and travel grinder. I still use it for at least 50% of my espresso grinding. It fits well in my Twist travel case, but a Porlex would probably fit better.

I like this grinder for the following reasons:

  • It's small and portable (the Porlex is smaller, but was not available when I purchased my grinder)
  • The grind quality is very good. Never needed to WDT
  • It's very easy to clean, and if needed the burrs can be soaked in OxyClean to remove coffee stains
  • It holds a convenient amount of beans and gounds ( > 20 g) in the top and bottom chambers
  • I've been able to buy replacement parts for my grinder at Orphan Espresso to keep it in top shape

It works well for me with the following caveats:

  • The pentagon hole in the handle started to deform after about a year so I replaced the handle. I've heard reports of the shaft getting messed up of you don't replace the handle soon enough
  • There are reports with the Kyocera of not holding the grind setting after the bumps on the nut wear down (see photo). I may start seeing this soon and have a backup nut and burr set
  • During especially challenging weather, I can notice issues with static
  • It is a little hard to hold for my hands and the handle is a little small, but I get by
  • I recently dropped the outer burr in a sink and broke it in two so I replaced the burr set and the adjustment nut. I don't consider this a unique problem to the Kyocera but an issue with ceramic burrs in general


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Postby Aaron on Wed Apr 06, 2011 5:48 pm

I was just wondering this question so I am glad you asked it. I want to pair a hand grinder with an Espro Press so the OE PFP and the Porlex were my top choices as well. From what I have read so far these two grinder's performance is similar. I was leaning towards the OE PFP because Orphan made specific changes to make it work well on the larger grind, but I like the sleek look of the Porlex better. Sounds like they are both a good choice.
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Postby scrounge on Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:06 pm

Though you didn't ask specifically about the Hario Mini Mill, I've been using it for a few weeks now and very much enjoy it. It is a bit more inconsistent up at the french press level, though, but I don't do a lot of it. I use a Clever Coffee Dripper for pourovers and have found it fast and convenient for that. And it does wonderful for espresso. It's about half the price of the CM-45 and from what I can tell, pretty much identical. I searched all over for comparisons and couldn't really find anything.
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Postby AlecMoody on Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:37 am

I emailed OE and barb suggested that for my coarse ground needs I should go with the PFP. She also made it sound as if the other two are superior for espresso. The way it was phrased she may have not been comparing them to the PFP directly, and could have just been saying those are what they are best at.
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Postby Aaron on Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:48 pm

That sounds good. I will probably place my order for the PFP soon. Their website made it seem like this grinder should be kept for one purpose. It seemed like switching between presspot and espresso grinding was not really recommended or easy. Since you are only using it for large grinds, me too, it should not be a problem.
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Postby yakster on Sat Jul 30, 2011 1:57 am

I dropped the outer ceramic burr from the Kyocera CM-45 in the rental Condo sink today and broke it in half. None too pleased with myself here, but I've got a spare burr set at home.

Just made a horrible cup of coffee with the broken burr, inconsistent and too large grind size led to underextraction. Be careful with the burrs on these.
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Postby charlesaf3 on Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:57 pm

Any more thoughts on the hario vs the porlex and kyocera? I'd be using it to make espresso on the road with a mypressi twist (and will be knocking off the cool luggage ideas above)

Also, not the right forum, but given we are discussing travel, any thoughts on a travel steamer from anyone? The salton looks perfect, but unfindable. How about the bellman?
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