randytsuch wrote:The vario is good, but is kind of overkill for just drip, one of the lower end models will do fine

Randy

i really don't get why people are willing to spend lots of money on espresso equipment, but keep stating that for "just" drip or other brew methods cheap grinders suffice.

for brewed coffee the requirements for a good grinder are just as high (or even higher) as for a good espresso grinder; they are only different. for a drip grinder one needs a really uniform grind with as few fines as possible.

most cheap grinders just fall short on that point.

if you seek something small with a good WAF, the Vario or the Virtuoso Preciso might be alright. Large bulk grinders might deliver the better grind, but: 1. you have spend more money, 2. you will need more space on your kitchen counter and 3. you need a really understanding wife

Bane wrote:i really don't get why people are willing to spend lots of money on espresso equipment, but keep stating that for "just" drip or other brew methods cheap grinders suffice.

for brewed coffee the requirements for a good grinder are just as high (or even higher) as for a good espresso grinder; they are only different. for a drip grinder one needs a really uniform grind with as few fines as possible.

most cheap grinders just fall short on that point.

if you seek something small with a good WAF, the Vario or the Virtuoso Preciso might be alright. Large bulk grinders might deliver the better grind, but: 1. you have spend more money, 2. you will need more space on your kitchen counter and 3. you need a really understanding wife

I have a Vario at home, and a Virtuoso at work, and they both do fine for drip. I must admit I have not compared them to a big ditting or bunn or similar, but I don't have space at home or work for either, so I won't be getting them.

And this grinder is FOR his wife. Like I said in my first post, I can't see bringing home one of these big grinders, and saying "honey, here's you new coffee grinder". Her first words would be "WTF is wrong with you?"

Randy

randytsuch wrote:Her first words would be "WTF is wrong with you?"

+1

randytsuch wrote:I have a Vario at home, and a Virtuoso at work, and they both do fine for drip.

of course they; never said anything else. i was just referring to your statement:

The vario is good, but is kind of overkill for just drip, one of the lower end models will do fine

i was addressing that "just for drip" point-of-view. if you see it that way, anything that people here use at home for espresso is overkill. it all depends on your personal requirements.

i wasn't saying that everybody should get a shop grinder for their drip coffee. my point is that i think its wrong to say that "just" for drip/brew/FP a low end grinder is more that enough. it all depends on your requirements.

if you see it that way anything above those small low end home espresso grinders (Ascaso, Demoka, Iberital etc) is overkill, but most people here are using professional espresso grinders.

My 2d thought would be to combine grinders and get a really good grinder like the Mahlkonig, and use it for everything. Heck I bet I could use my SJ for coffee as well, I just don't like cleaning it out. But, for the price it rocks.

thats exactly what i wouldnt do

1st: its just not practical to empty (not everyone is single-dosing) and clean out the grinder everytime you want to switch between espresso and drip

2nd: theres not one grinder which excels at both, drip and espresso, since the requirements for drip and espresso are completely different. if you have a grinder designed for both, there will always be compromises.

i love my Super Jolly for espresso, but i don't really care for the drip/FP/Vacpot brew it produces. just too many fines...

randytsuch wrote:Like I said in my first post, I can't see bringing home one of these big grinders, and saying "honey, here's you new coffee grinder". Her first words would be "WTF is wrong with you?"Randy

These two sentences should not be missed. It is classic.

Depends on your wife. My wife disliked the "kitchen friendly" B. Vario from the moment she first laid eyes on it but has no problem with either the Major or Bunn G3 that sit on our kitchen counter.

Yeah, just where are all the Hello Kitty grinders??? :-]

I see the issue with trying to make coffee using the SJ. In the time since I first posted, the coffee machine has broken. Now I need a grinder and a machine!