Which double boiler espresso machine to purchase? - Page 4

#31: Post by **zin1953** » May 15th, 2009, 11:05 am

Dodger1 wrote:After more than a little thought I just pulled the trigger on a New Izzo Alex Duetto II and a Super Jolly from Chris.

A great setup! I'm sure you'll be happy with it . . .

#32: Post by **uscfroadie** » May 18th, 2009, 2:23 pm

Endo wrote:The Vivaldi sucks for making Latte art quality foam. I've yet to see someone make a great multiple rosetta pattern with foam from this machine. With my Silvia, it was 100 times easier.

I had the same problem when I went from my QM Alexia to the Vetrano. The original tip on the no-burn arm is too fast and outruns the boiler (or at least my setting of .9 - 1.2 bars). Have the same tip that came with my Alexia on the no-burn now (adapter needed) and can make latte art quality microfoam in my sleep. The downside is a little speed.

You can try plugging a few of your holes in your small 4-holer and see what the result is. I know you have a single hole tip, but you didn't mention the size of the hole. If it's too big, it'll produce crap microfoam.

Good luck, and let us know how it turns out.

#33: Post by **michael** » May 18th, 2009, 3:05 pm

i have the vivaldi VII which is great and has lots of steam for milk drinks; the plumb-in is a must; couldnt go back to the pour over again. i currently use it with a mazzer mini e, but am thinking of a new grinder. if you can, i would go for one of the larger mazzer electronic grinders, the kony or major; doesnt the super jolly have the same burrs as the mini e

#34: Post by **EricC** » May 18th, 2009, 3:14 pm

The Mazzer Mini E's have the same diameter burrs, however they have less aggressive cutting surfaces when compared to the Super Jolly's.

#35: Post by **michael** » May 18th, 2009, 3:18 pm

could you explain the "less aggresssive cutting surfaces"

is that supposed to translate to less clumping

May 18th, 2009, 3:46 pm

No; less aggressive means that the cuts are closer to tangential than radial. That makes it cut slower, which more likely leads to more clumping, but that's just a guess. The reason that they seem to have a less aggressive cutting path is most likely to reduce startup/operating torque on the motor, which is smaller than the Super Jolly motor. All of the few accounts I have read of the Mini E in comparison to the Mini and Super Jolly place it closer to the former than the latter.

That said, there are reports of people running their Mini-E's with SJ and even SJ 'Duranium' burrs (even more aggressive). A forum search may help you if you're looking to upgrade. The risk is binding your motor if you're not careful--that's usually mostly harmless if you stop it fast enough.

#37: Post by HB » May 18th, 2009, 5:16 pm

michael wrote:could you explain the "less aggressive cutting surfaces"

From the FAQs: Difference between Mazzer Mini E burrs and Super Jolly burrs?

May 22nd, 2009, 10:10 am

I just canceled my order for the Duetto and ordered the Mini Vivaldi II.

May 22nd, 2009, 1:15 pm

Good choice!

#40: Post by **zin1953** » May 23rd, 2009, 11:23 am

Dodger1 wrote:I just canceled my order for the Duetto and ordered the Mini Vivaldi II.

As I said before . . .

zin1953 wrote:A great setup! I'm sure you'll be happy with it . . .

Seriously, both machines certainly can do the job -- it's hard to go wrong . . . .