Congrats that is a very nice machine I have often admired online.
Seems very well made & thoughtfully laid out with little things that make a difference.

Enjoy!

malling wrote: And by purchasing a big flat straight away, also mean that you don't need to upgrade ever again, as you have skipped the mid layer eg. SJ level.

Agree with you, all comes down to personal preference and goals.

Its just interesting to reflect back on past 10 years.
- In 2006 ish it was "get the Rocky, its industrial in build quality and will last forever"
- In 2008 ish, the Mazzer Mini was the pinnacle and we bought that thinking "i'll never have to upgrade again"
- A few years later its "the Super Jolly is a step up in consistency, forget about the mini"
- Then it was the Major
- Then the Robur
- Then the K10 PBs
- And now people are unloading their K10's to get EK43s, Titus, EG1, etc

if history is our teacher, don't buy a grinder thinking "i'll never need to upgrade again"
("need" here is really "want")

9-10 years ago Robur where seen as the pinacle of all grinders, that gave birth to; can it beat the robur thread back in 2007, that had a tremendous impact on a few grinders popularity one of them being the k10

And back then there where a huge talk about the Versalab M3 grinder for home for those with big puckets.

What your refering to is more the shift that has been in the advice for grinders and what was seen as uptimum for home use back then. In 2007 Mini where the to go to grinder due to it's build and size, but where not seen as the pinnacle. But The Rocky where still the biggest seller for home use.

It is many years since anyone had the oppion that the Rocky and Mini where the best. Back in 2007 allot of people owned Super Jollys, Cimbali Max, Cimbali jr.

Allot of things has changed since then and now we want the best no matter the size and there has been a massive change in the coffee industry's especially on the roasting front, So I do not think we are going to see much differences in advice below a sertain price range

agree, good clarification, I should have clarified the "for home use" part. You are correct, my references are specific to the shift in what has become "acceptable/recommended" for home use vs. whats regarded/seen as the best grinder overall. I did miss out on a few like the M3 and Vario.

We continue to push the bounds and challenge the status quo in pursuit of perfection, which is a good thing.

Well I don't think a new grinder is in the cards. the purpose of the 700 is to avoid any upgrade-itis in the machine for a good long time. I've never been able to get consistent shots out of the Silvia. It came with a Rocky which was unusable to me (the Rocky has been relegated to drip coffee. The Silvia sat on my counter for a good while without ever being used. I then bought a mini a couple of years ago and I was able to get drinkable coffee out of her. I got the SJ about 9 months ago through work. It was DOA and I repaired the motor and replaced the burrs. Coffee got even better but not great. A lot of that is due to my lack of skill and knowledge on technique. I figure The Pro 700 is a known quantity. I know some people can get great espresso out of a Silvia, I never could. I'll give you that a better grinder begets better espresso but the Super Jolly is about as good as I'm going to get for the time being.
I'm just wondering what kind of results I can expect with a high quality machine with stable group temps and all that goes with a high end machine with my SJ. I've seen a thread somewhere one here where they had a titan challenge and used an old Super Jolly as a benchmark to compare to. All of the titans were better to one degree or another but the SJ remarkable held its own to the surprise of every one. I hope I can experience the same.

I think you can expect a real increase in overall consistency with the new machine, even if you don't upgrade your grinder.

The Super Jolly is considered a very solid choice. Perhaps not quite as good as some of the uber grinders out there, but nothing to scoff at either. If you had a Rocky or similar grinder and just wanted to upgrade the machine, I'd say that was a mistake and you should upgrade the grinder first. But since you already have the SJ, I think you should be able to see distinct benefits with a new machine like the Profitec.

While Silvia can certainly make a great shot on occasion, the Profitec should be able to give your great shots much more often and without nearly as much hassle. It's also much faster and more pleasant to use if you like to make milk drinks, since you can steam and pull shots at the same time. Plus, it just looks cool on the counter.

I say go for it and don't look back. You can always upgrade your grinder later if the urge strikes. Or just pull great shots with the Profitec/Super Jolly combo and be happy.

This!

Well said

Beezer wrote:I think you can expect a real increase in overall consistency with the new machine, even if you don't upgrade your grinder.

The Super Jolly is considered a very solid choice. Perhaps not quite as good as some of the uber grinders out there, but nothing to scoff at either. If you had a Rocky or similar grinder and just wanted to upgrade the machine, I'd say that was a mistake and you should upgrade the grinder first. But since you already have the SJ, I think you should be able to see distinct benefits with a new machine like the Profitec.

While Silvia can certainly make a great shot on occasion, the Profitec should be able to give your great shots much more often and without nearly as much hassle. It's also much faster and more pleasant to use if you like to make milk drinks, since you can steam and pull shots at the same time. Plus, it just looks cool on the counter.

I say go for it and don't look back. You can always upgrade your grinder later if the urge strikes. Or just pull great shots with the Profitec/Super Jolly combo and be happy.

If you don't practice strict temp control on the Silvia or don't know how, you will see a big improvement with the new machine because of temp stability. Same if you steam more than 4 oz. of milk at a time. Of course there is no comparison between the two machines really, but it makes me think of another example. I have played guitar for over 30 years and "Upgraditis" always makes me think of that. I've seen many people get into guitar lessons a little bit and then after a few months or a few years they buy an expensive guitar. Guitars are cool and awesome and fun to own, but no guitar will ever make you a better guitar player. A great guitar player can make a $100 guitar sound incredible. A poor player can't even make a $5000 guitar sound decent. But a lot of people just enjoy having a beautiful guitar even if they never learn to play it that well. And of course they come up with every excuse it the book, -my hands are too big, I need a better guitar, I just don't have the time. The same is relatively true for espresso machines. Espresso is an art and you are the artist. A better machine will take some of the effort out of it, making repeatability easier to achieve, thereby showing improvement in your results. But it still won't make you a better barista, only you can do that.

I went from a Silvia to a pro 700. Usability was night and day. Paired it with a vario which is similar to your sj taste wise. Made amazing espresso right out of the bag. Milk steaming was night and day especially for company. I won't repeat the other fine comments here but I will say that for as much of an upgrade as the 700 was, so was plumbing it in and using a real water filtration softening system. I have used the 700 and water system for 5 or more doubles a day for almost 10 months now and love it.