Hello to all, this is my first post in this forum. I have decided to purchase a La Spaziale Mini Vivaldi II. I have a Isomac Tea (6 years old) and a Bezzera BZ99 (8 years old) and I am planning on selling one. I really don't care which one, but I have to get rid of one to make room for the new machine (or get a new wife also). My question is what is a fair price for a either of these machine in used condition. Thanks in advance.

Generally speaking, popular espresso machines with good reliability track records go for as much as 70% current retail, but most are 50% or less.

Isomac was once the darling of the espresso internet, but has since been displaced by Quickmill, Vibiemme, Expobar, etc. Fortunately for current owners, 1st-line has revived the line with the Isomac Tea II, so potential buyers will be comforted that they're not buying a boat anchor. In all fairness, Isomac uses many standard components, so 1st-line's support notwithstanding, it shouldn't be difficult to obtain repair parts for years to come. With the caveat that I am not an eBay watcher, I would expect an older Isomac to sell below average as used espresso equipment goes.

I am not familiar with the BZ99, but judging from the online photos, it's in the same class as the Livia 90 widely sold in the US. Assuming it's in good condition, it probably will be middle of the pack price-wise, assuming of course it's in very good condition. If the machine has been poorly maintained or has evidence of scale buildup, the cost will drop dramatically (e.g., 30% retail if you're lucky).

PS: Please note that this site does not permit buy/sell threads. I don't believe you are trying to circumvent this rule, but caution others not to start "how much is XXX worth?" threads. Such threads are better posted on CoffeeGeek's Buy, Sell and Trade forum. Thanks for your understanding.

txrpls wrote:...I have a Isomac Tea and a Bezzera BZ99 and I am planning on selling one. I really don't care which one, but I have to get rid of one to make room for the new machine (or get a new wife).

reminds me of...
"My wife said that either the second espresso machine goes, or she is gone... I am going to miss her homemade biscotti..."
and...
WANTED: Good looking, young, hard-working woman with espresso machine. My wife left me and took my La Spaz with her. I am looking for a new wife with a nice, two group machine in excellent working order. Rotary pump and plumb-in option required. Please send photo of espresso machine.

HB wrote:Generally speaking, popular espresso machines with good reliability track records go for as much as 70% current retail, but most are 50% or less.

Isomac was once the darling of the espresso internet, but has since been displaced by Quickmill, Vibiemme, Expobar, etc. Fortunately for current owners, 1st-line has revived the line with the Isomac Tea II, so potential buyers will be comforted that they're not buying a boat anchor. In all fairness, Isomac uses many standard components, so 1st-line's support notwithstanding, it shouldn't be difficult to obtain repair parts for years to come. With the caveat that I am not an eBay watcher, I would expect an older Isomac to sell below average as used espresso equipment goes.

I am not familiar with the BZ99, but judging from the online photos, it's in the same class as the Livia 90 widely sold in the US. Assuming it's in good condition, it probably will be middle of the pack price-wise, assuming of course it's in very good condition. If the machine has been poorly maintained or has evidence of scale buildup, the cost will drop dramatically (e.g., 30% retail if you're lucky).

PS: Please note that this site does not permit buy/sell threads. I don't believe you are trying to circumvent this rule, but caution others not to start "how much is XXX worth?" threads. Such threads are better posted on CoffeeGeek's Buy, Sell and Trade forum. Thanks for your understanding.

Dan, thanks for the help. I was shocked at the price of current machines. I haven't been watching the forums in a while and if I am not mistaken, I don't think I paid more than $1k for either machine. Of course, I remember the days of $5 Levis also. You are right on the BZ99, it is almost an exact duplicate of the old Livia 90. San Antonio, TX is not exactly an espresso town, so hard to get a price idea around here. I checked E-bay and the prices I see there are all for the newer models. I apologize for violating the rules. But just so everyone knows I will not ship either machine anywhere.

Now after reading a lot of the threads I am now considering the Izzo Alex Duetto II. I will probably end up with the Mini Vivaldi II since it has the pull out tank (I have a short wife), but the Duetto sure is attractive with all of its features

Thanks,
Mark