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Postby Marshall on Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:47 pm

Ken Fox wrote:In a place like Southern California, where no one but family pets drink the tap water and 5 gallon bottled water jugs are scattered throughout the house, with replacements delivered to your door every week, perhaps this makes sense. For most people living elsewhere who would need to buy bottled water at the supermarket and pay by the liter, do you think this is a very attractive option? Many people live in places where the water is soft and relatively boiler safe. Others who live in hard water areas may find that they need or want to soften the water in the entire house, in which case the household softened water can be used. In many cases, cation softened water will produce very good espresso shots; just ask the Italians for whom this is normal. And the tiny amount of sodium one would ingest in their espresso shots is not worth worrying about


I could be wrong (I often am), but I believe just about every serious coffee bar in the country uses water treatment. This is not just to minimize descaling routines, but for flavor balance. Cirqua Water Systems may be based in Southern California, but they have coffee shop customers all over the country.

Even our beloved Brooklyn friend, Fortune Elkins, who has the benefit of some of the best tap water in the U.S. uses bottled water (Volvic, I believe). I'm also pretty sure that home delivery of bottled water is available in most, if not all, metropolitan areas of the country (I've had clients in the business for years).
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Postby HB on Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:13 pm

Ken Fox wrote:Have you actually measured the output of your Zaffiro with a Scace and datalogger, in order to be able to make this statement? If you have done this, have you done it enough times over a long enough period of time to be sure that what you got once is repeatable?

On a related note... Were it not for the first shot (blue line starts out cold), I might have mistaken this plot for a GS3:

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From Buyer's Guide to the Quickmill Alexia

Thermofilters didn't exist at the time I PID'd the Amica / Zaffiro, so I cannot speak from experience on its capabilities. That said, fussing about ultra-precise temperature control is so yesterday. :lol:

Marshall wrote:Even our beloved Brooklyn friend, Fortune Elkins, who has the benefit of some of the best tap water in the U.S. uses bottled water (Volvic, I believe). I'm also pretty sure that home delivery of bottled water is available in most, if not all, metropolitan areas of the country (I've had clients in the business for years).

I've done blind taste tests among friends of the finest spring water, filtered tap water and filtered / softened tap water. Only one person (my wife) was able to correctly identify all the samples. Some buy bottled water because they're concerned about the safety of their water supply, but it's unnecessary in most cities if your concern is the taste impact on your espresso. Of course, don't take my word for it, first do a blind taste test of the water alone, then with espressos prepared with difference waters. If someone could consistently identify espressos made with properly treated water and spring water in a blind taste test... wow, I am not worthy!
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Postby Ken Fox on Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:41 pm

Marshall wrote:I could be wrong (I often am), but I believe just about every serious coffee bar in the country uses water treatment. This is not just to minimize descaling routines, but for flavor balance. Cirqua Water Systems may be based in Southern California, but they have coffee shop customers all over the country.


These are the same "serious coffee bars" that, no doubt, use their "third wave baristas" to cram 20g+ of coffee into a PF, with all manner of silly procedures, when they could make better and more balanced shots with 14g and none of that silly barista hoohaw stuff? But I digress.

Marshall wrote:Even our beloved Brooklyn friend, Fortune Elkins, who has the benefit of some of the best tap water in the U.S. uses bottled water (Volvic, I believe). I'm also pretty sure that home delivery of bottled water is available in most, if not all, metropolitan areas of the country (I've had clients in the business for years).


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You mean HER? I'm surprised she'd settle for volvic; why doesn't she have Chateldon flown in?

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