Lacoffee wrote:+1. No overshoot here on the 700. Great machine.

+2 Rock solid machine. Hard to pull a bad shot on one of these.

OP: Get the 700, otherwise you'll get upgraditis in a year or two...

Id recommend picking up a different grinder. When I first bought my pro 700 I was using a Quamar m80e. I picked up a titan grinder (large conical burr) and wow the difference was night and day. I could pull shots ratios with the macap that on the quamar would taste way over extracted. Instead of spending more on a machine first spend on a better grinder.
Good coffee is made in order of importance
1. Skilled Barista
2. Fresh Coffee
3. Good Grinder
4. Good Machine

I know there is a lot of other people on this forum that will agree with this list.

thecatch83 wrote:I can't recommend the Pro 700 to anyone until they get their erratic PID overshoot problem figured out.

Agreed. I've owned the Pro 700 for just over a year and would not recommend it.

lagoon wrote:+2 Rock solid machine. Hard to pull a bad shot on one of these.

OP: Get the 700, otherwise you'll get upgraditis in a year or two...

I had a 700... loved it. Would still love it. But upgraditis is irrational. I suffered that dreaded disease only 18 months post purchase of the 700.

I really hope not. I don't mind spending money on the things I like and get enjoyment from, but I'm also a bit of a tightwad with my money all the same. I think that I'd have to see a big difference in the cup to justify a change. Plus, we just bought a new house that is a completely different style than our present house and the cost of furnishing the new place is going to liquefy the fun money for a while.

zapa wrote:Id recommend picking up a different grinder. When I first bought my pro 700 I was using a Quamar m80e. I picked up a titan grinder (large conical burr) and wow the difference was night and day. I could pull shots ratios with the macap that on the quamar would taste way over extracted. Instead of spending more on a machine first spend on a better grinder.

A different grinder than the T64? Have you used it before? When I was shopping for a new espresso grinder, I heavily consider the T64 because of the great feedback from people that have used it extensively. An M7D is twice as much as a T64 for a marginal increase in grind quality - certainly worthwhile for many experienced enthusiasts (like yourself), but for a newer enthusiast? Probably not.

I actually recommended for him to get a K30

zapa wrote:I actually recommended for him to get a K30

Ah okay, I didn't see that in your post - I just assumed you were thinking M7D when you mentioned the Titan Grinder.

K30 sound awesome. But for a home user (looking to keep machine/grinder size to a minimum), is it worth the extra $700 and size to go from the 64mm T64 to the 65mm K30? I've heard great things about the T64, but I don't have experience with either, so I'm just genuinely curious.

What are people's thoughts on the Pro 500? Not a good option here?

caldwa wrote:Ah okay, I didn't see that in your post - I just assumed you were thinking M7D when you mentioned the Titan Grinder.

K30 sound awesome. But for a home user (looking to keep machine/grinder size to a minimum), is it worth the extra $700 and size to go from the 64mm T64 to the 65mm K30? I've heard great things about the T64, but I don't have experience with either, so I'm just genuinely curious.

I recommended it in a pm. The K30 is an amazing grinder. There is a reason why it is used in the world barista competitions.