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Kyocera, German mill, or Faema

Postby rennix on Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:59 am

Should I buy a vintage hand grinder, a new kyocera, or look for a hand me down like a faema, older model or something.

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Postby yakster on Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:26 pm

I think the answer to this is going to depend on the espresso machine your going to pair this with, your budget, and other factors like do you want a grinder that travels well.

I bought the Kyocera both because it was within my budget and it serves as a travel / camping grinder for AeroPressed coffee, and it works well for me, but because changing the settings and dialing in the grind can be difficult to reproduce, I'm looking to upgrade. It wasn't much of an issue with my de-pressurized DeLonghi, but I'm noticing it more now with the La Peppina lever... some espresso machines / baskets seem to work well with a wider range of grind sizes.

I've been looking at vintage hand grinders at Orphan Espresso's site, but my coffee grinder has those false burrs and so I'm planning on an upgrade to a grinder that can handle espresso and vac pot grinds... waiting to see how the Baratza Virtuoso Preciso pans out and if I had the budget I'd go for a Baratza Vario. If your looking for just a grinder for espresso, a hand grinder is a good choice, depending on how many shots you usually pull.

I've always heard that a Mazzer Mini or Super Jolly is a good choice, especially if you can find a good deal on eBay.

Tell us more about your budget, needs, and the machine your going to pair this with.
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Postby rennix on Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:42 pm

I have a cheap Hamilton beach and will upgrade one day so I'm looking for a decent grinder that can handle a better machine. I'm looking to stay in the $75 range and have found the kyocera for $66 and a used faema a6/s6 for less than 100 with shipping. I like the idea of a smaller quieter grinder and I just make espresso for myself. Sometimes coffee but it might be nice to get something compatible with a French press. Could you possible just mark the wheel to keep your settings?
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Postby yakster on Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:03 pm

Given your budget, a hand grinder sounds like a good call, or a good deal on eBay... I'm not that familiar with the Faema so I won't comment there.

As for the Kyocera, the nice thing is you can fully disassemble the grinder by spinning off the nut on the bottom and clean the ceramic burrs easily... sometimes I soak them in oxyclean to get all the coffee stains off. Once you put things back together, I'm not sure any marks would still line up, but the adjustment nut on the bottom has bumps on one side that touch raised lines on the plastic inner sleeve that fits inside the lower burr so you can count and feel the clicks when tighten the burrs fully and then back off a certain number of clicks. I usually back off three to five clicks for espresso, but because of the bumps and lines, I'm not sure you could really call this a step-less grinder or if the adjustment would wander any if you lined up the nut so that the bump was on top of the line. It's also easy to use degrees of rotation as a standard, like backing off 1/4, 1/2, or 3/4 turns... I go between 1/4 and 1/2 and lately have been grinding coarser and tamping lighter to get a better flow rate in my lever. The adjustment is not that fine... 1/4 turn is good for most espresso and one full turn is probably what I was using for AeroPress, so the thread pitch of the threaded rod is not that fine.

The Kyocera has a spring that presses down on the inner burr to maintain spacing if you set the grinder coarser for coffee... it works well for AeroPress, but I've heard mixed reports on using it for French Press... but getting a good hand grinder for French Press can be a challenge anyway. That and the Kyocera holds about 18 grams max so you may have to refill the grinder if your grinding for French Press.

The Kyocera grinder has been well discussed on CoffeeGeek, including this thread if you want to do more research.

I have noticed that Doug at Orphan Espresso seems to have a good number of hand grinders available now, more so then in the recent past... he rebuilds them and describes their grinding speed and quality so if you purchase from him you'll be getting a known quality grinder.

If I were buying a grinder for espresso only and not planning on using it for traveling, I would probably go with a nice vintage box grinder instead of the Kyocera.
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Postby rennix on Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:11 pm

Thx, the faema is a commercial grinder and it might be a good deal. Has a doser too. Btw is that a Maltese?
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Postby yakster on Tue Mar 02, 2010 3:26 pm

Naw, that's a Bich-Poo, Bichon Frise / Poodle mix that we rescued from the pound, he's wearing a life jacket in this picture for a kayaking trip. We've got him, and a Cockapoo and a Toy Poodle, but so far he's the only one I've taken kayaking.

I made him my avatar because he's so cute, a lot of other coffee enthusiasts have dog avatars, and he sorta represents my name, yakster, because of the kayaking angle.

I'm curious what espresso machine your considering, do you have one in mind?
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Postby rennix on Tue Mar 02, 2010 3:31 pm

Cheaper gaggia maybe change my mind the more I read! Haha. This isn't until next school year though. The last faema went for 180 on eBay and on here the estimated value was 200-250. This one is less than 100.
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Postby rennix on Sat Mar 06, 2010 9:34 pm

Ended up grabbing the Kyocera. I noticed what you said by adjustment being hard to calibrate after disassembling.

I marked the screw on the bottom to line up with the outer plastic (a dot there too) at fully tight (with my fingers anyway). Then I back off from there and remember how much time I reverse like on a clock. Now when you use the grinder your alignment will automatically be gone but just keep in mind the time difference from the "end of time" aka tight and you can just spin it back to where it was and adjust from there.

I love the thing!
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