Isn't that something! They lost a sale, but I appreciate their honesty!

I can't resist making an off-topic point - Cunill didn't lose a sale, they never had one. What they did that is all too rare, was to simply recognize that fact. Now, for the expenditure of a few minutes of someone's time, they have purchased a significant amount of goodwill. Good for them, and I wish more businesses operated that way.

Another perfect "stupid newbie answer" thread of people who have never used any of the grinders under discussion weighing in with their expert opinions.

Sue, take the info on this thread with a huge grain of salt.

Sorry for being blunt, but I am not going to allow HB to become another blind leading the blind site, the sad fate that has overtaken large parts of CG.

Jim, what advice in this thread is inaccurate?

another_jim wrote:The Cunill Brazil is an excellent grinder, far better than the Rocky. It's in the same class, though not quite the same quality, as the Super Jolly. The Vario is a brand new grinder, and built to domestic, not commercial standards, buy it if you enjoy being the test rabbit.

Sue, I own a Cunill Brazil grinder since 2002. A friend of mine owns the Rancilio Rocky. Jim is right, the Brazil is far better than the Rocky. I recently changed the burrs after almost 7 years. This is a commercial grinder, and it really shows.

yay! A real owner of one! Please tell me.......how hard is it to change grinds from espresso through french press? I really need the flexibility to do the full range of grinds. I like the look and the price of this unit. I am excited to speak with an owner of one. Is online the only way to buy? I live in a big metro area. Portland oregon. But I don't see any local places to test drive one! How loud is it? Can you talk over the noise it makes? It says online it is 74decibels i think.
Thanks a ton
Sue

yay! A real owner of one! Please tell me.......how hard is it to change grinds from espresso through french press? I really need the flexibility to do the full range of grinds. I like the look and the price of this unit. I am excited to speak with an owner of one. Is online the only way to buy? I live in a big metro area. Portland oregon. But I don't see any local places to test drive one! How loud is it? Can you talk over the noise it makes?

Mine is different from the 2008 model, based on this information "New for 2008, the ingenious infinite adjustment mechanism is now completely stepless (no more stepped "clicks" and pin pushing required), for easier and even more accurate fine tuning of grind coarseness", and the new hopper.

First of all, I only drink espresso. I have no experience setting it for French press. But it is not difficult to change grind level. I bought it from Sovrana Store, and Humberto was great to deal with. The Brasil can be loud, but by now I am accustomed to it . Definitely louder than the Rancilio Rocky. Hope this helps.

sweaner wrote:Jim, what advice in this thread is inaccurate?

Telling the OP to stay out of the noon day sun would also have been accurate. But that is not the standard for proper answers

Have you used a Cunill? Have you used a Rocky? If you haven't used both, why are you answering this question? Anybody could weigh in that a Robur, a Major, a Mahlkoenig, a whatever super grinder, is better than both grinders, and if they waited long enough, they might find one used on Ebay at a comparable price. Guess what ... that is not an answer to the question as asked. It is an answer they could have gleaned with 2 minutes of reading up.

If someone asks a specific question, and you don't have a the specific answer; you have no business answering. That is how I feel.

So Jim, the only people who could give advice here were ones who have used both the Rocky and the Cunill? That makes no sense to me, and would certainly limit answers to most questions posed on this forum. I simply mentioned what I thought, from experience AND from the advice seen on this and other forums, would be a better choice. At the same price point! If the Robur was the same price I would have mentioned that.

sweaner wrote:So Jim, the only people who could give advice here were ones who have used both the Rocky and the Cunill?

If someone is asking A vs. B, they are hoping for answers from those who have used A and B, although it isn't uncommon for some to reply who've only used A or B. Jim's point is covered in the Guidelines for productive online discussion:

Be open and honest. Many people rely on opinions presented in these forums as part of their purchase decision. The source of the information you present and basis of the opinions you express are as important as the statements themselves. For example, you should make it clear whether you speak from first hand experience, what you read elsewhere (and if appropriate, link to the source), or conventional wisdom.

I believe that first hand experience is best, like Javier's response below:

Javier wrote:Sue, I own a Cunill Brazil grinder since 2002. A friend of mine owns the Rancilio Rocky. Jim is right, the Brazil is far better than the Rocky. I recently changed the burrs after almost 7 years. This is a commercial grinder, and it really shows.

If you wish to discuss this further, please contact me offline or start a new thread specifically on the subject. Thanks.

sweaner wrote:...would certainly limit answers to most questions posed on this forum.

that would be bad how