Hello all,

I have the opportunity to buy an ECM Giotto. I was told by the owner that it is 4 years old. I went and looked at it tonight and the machine looked very clean. It was maintained by a local shop and the only thing that needs to be replaced 3 months ago was the head gasket.

I have done the research on line and from what I've gathered this is a single boiler machine with heat exchange system. When I went over to look at it, the owner keeps telling me that this is a single boiler machine and know nothing about heat exchanger?

My question is, would it be possible that this is not a heat exchange machine? This is the older ECM Giotto that has been discontinued and I believe it was referred to as the ECM Giotto Classic.

Thank you,

Shane

according to this site
http://www.espressotec.com/store/pc/ECM-Giotto-Classic-178p41.htm

the machine is a single boiler/hx machine with an e61 grp. From my understanding some machines run a vessel within a boiler and it is used to exchange heat to the group head. So both statements could be correct to a degree.

Should be an heating exchanger if the model they are telling you is correct,
if there is a steam valve and a separate hot water spout then it is.
As usual when buying a used machine what's inside the boiler is what's matter,
anybody can shine or keep well the outside
but the water inside the boiler could be the best or worst scale wise
simply without getting to open much of the unit
you can remove the top of the grouphead nut and look inside the mushroom valve
or try pulling up the water level probe, IF there is resistance ans is not coming up then do not force it, remove the nut (the big one) and look at it for scale build up