michaelbenis wrote:A variety of Nino owners are using DIY short bean columns made of glass/perspex tube etc.

Yeah, I've seen that. I wonder if those tubes can be easily found here in Norway. Have you ever read or heard about anyone adding an auger to the Nino? Shouldn't think this would be such a difficult mod, and a pretty rudimentary one could possibly solve the issue.

lolgun wrote:Yes the mysterious Prom, I keep waiting for the 3rd generation of this model to see what happens as there has been several conflicting reports and issues with the 1st iteration and if I'm not mistaken some as well with the 2nd gen?

Never been a big fan of the design myself. Have I understood correctly in saying the ProM can't be easily opened for cleaning?

CrimsonScythe wrote:Have I understood correctly in saying the ProM can't be easily opened for cleaning?

Yes this is correct. Unlike you I was a fan of the design and concept but completely lost interest when I saw the innards of that grinder. The inability to open the grinding chamber is a deal breaker for me.

CrimsonScythe wrote:Have I understood correctly in saying the ProM can't be easily opened for cleaning?

The burrset is the same set as in the commercial [EDIT] K30 and made of a harder and longer lasting alloy than their competitors'. In normal home use they should last a lifetime. Home roasters, who are more likely to see an occasional stone in their coffee, may be at at some greater risk.

Cleaning the innards of grinders tends, I think, to be a useless ritual that results in the removal from nooks and crannies of old grounds that never touch the brewing grinds (and the refilling of those same nooks and crannies immediately thereafter). An occasional burr cleaning with Urnex Grindz or Puly Crystals works fine for me.

This is all apart from the burr preference, waste and convenience factors, which have been lately and vociferously addressed on this forum.

Marshall wrote:The burrset is the same set as in the commercial K10 and made of a harder and longer lasting alloy than their competitors'. In normal home use they should last a lifetime. Home roasters, who are more likely to see an occasional stone in their coffee, may be at at some greater risk.

Cleaning the innards of grinders tends, I think, to be a useless ritual that results in the removal from nooks and crannies of old grounds that never touch the brewing grinds (and the refilling of those same nooks and crannies immediately thereafter). An occasional burr cleaning with Urnex Grindz or Puly Crystals works fine for me.

This is all apart from the burr preference, waste and convenience factors, which have been lately and vociferously addressed on this forum.

The reasons for writing off the ProM are not the need to clean every nooks and crannies or any concern about wear. It is about maintenance and repairs. As you are suggesting, being a clumsy homeroaster, there is a risk of that rock or other debris slipping in. Also there is that concern about plugging. I know that this has been a reported problem from only one user but...

If the burr chamber had been accessible (without having to take the hole grinder apart), the ProM would have been right up there in the desirable grinders list.

CrimsonScythe, who is the winner?

FWIW: I sold my Super Caimano (after 5 months) to get a K10 WBC (last year). I absolutely love the K10. I never became friends with the SC.

Tastewise, the K10 is in the same league as the Robur, which my friend chose. His old grinder was a Super Jolly. We tested the 3 grinders side by side. The SJ can't compete with the big 68-mm conicals.

The chute holds some coffee, but it is easily accessible with a brush. I sweep after grinding and I use the swept coffee for the extraction. Like Bluecold, I have to pulse an extra couple of times to get the chute clean.

Cheers, Niels