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Baratza Vario + sifting vs. bulk grinder

Postby Alvin.A on Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:23 pm

after upgrading from Vario to Major i though i would use the Vario for pour-over and FP now.
But soon realized for myself (and read here), the fines produced are not giving me the best results. so what i have been doing is sifting the fines out and i get a better tasting cup. the problem there of course is time and waste.
i have been considering looking for another grinder for my drip coffee, but have been wondering if it will be worth it.
What would be a good dedicated drip grinder (vs Vario)
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Postby jkoll42 on Thu Apr 14, 2011 9:52 pm

I used to use a Kitchenaid Proline and recently upgraded to a Bunn LPG-2 and the results truly were amazing. I am not one to overstate things, but the grind is just so consistent and the cup so good..... There is a complete lack of any bitter notes from over-extraction of fines and the cup is just simply clean and great!
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Postby Marc on Thu Apr 14, 2011 10:03 pm

I'm using the vario for everything filter at home and it works well, no need to sift. Be sure to find the exact grind and exact time. 2 second matters. I think that with the vario it's better to work with grind closer from the coarser side and go with longer extraction time to avoid more fines. It's more finicky and need adjustement to avoid an over extraction of the fines.

There's is still better grinder out there, but we're talking coffee shop grinder that is not very homy.
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Postby another_jim on Thu Apr 14, 2011 11:42 pm

Mahlkoenig claims they optimized the Vario burrs for dual use, espresso and brew.

This claim is not theoretically implausible -- the amount fines on any grinder goes down when grinding coarser. People engineering espresso grinder burrs don't care about drip performance, and the Ditting or Bunn engineers didn't care about bimodal espresso needs when engineering their bulk grinder burrs. But it might be possible to create burrs that generate lots of fines at espresso grinds, but which still decline sharply as the grind settings get coarser.

I do not know as a fact if this is true for the Vario, but it has been getting better reviews for drip and FP than dedicated espresso grinders.
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Postby cannonfodder on Thu Apr 14, 2011 11:49 pm

I have had more than a few espresso grinders pass over the coffee bar. Never had a good drink from any of them (other than espresso). I ended up getting a BUNN on the cheap and rebuilt it. Now I am happy. Never tried the Vario so I cannot speak for it. A warning on the BUNN bulk grinders, you can get them relatively inexpensive on ebay but a new set of burrs will get you over $200. A lot of those grinders plus new burrs cost as much as a new bulk grinder.
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Postby akallio on Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:17 am

You might want to look at Baratza Virtuoso Preciso.
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Postby portamento on Tue May 10, 2011 3:04 pm

I have used a Vario for dual-use for many months now -- and I agree with you that it produces a lot of fines. I think the claim that it produces bimodal output at fine levels and unimodal output at coarse levels is somewhat true, but no more than most home grinders. To a certain extent bimodality at fine settings is just natural to the physics of bean breaking. While some burr designs will amplify or reduce this effect, the Vario does not magically become a bulk grinder at coarse settings. At typical filter coffee coarseness (around 800 microns) the Vario's output does not appear as clean as the bulk grinders to my eye or palate.

That being said, I find I am able to produce a pretty tasty morning cup with the Vario and Clever Coffee Dripper or pourover cone. After much experimentation with sifting, I eventually felt like most coffees did not ultimately benefit. Sifting produces a clean, tea-like cup almost every time, but often at the expense of aromatics, body, and sweetness.

There are a few things that can help mitigate the effects of fines / wide particle variance:
  • Try clean washed coffees roasted to a light level (for example many single origins sold by Ecco), as the smaller particles do not impart much bitterness in this case
  • Avoid excessive agitation to reduce overextraction of smaller particles. This also helps to leave fines suspended in the slurry rather than migrated out to where they block the filter
  • Be precise with your brew recipes (using a scale) and adjust your pourover grind to "dial in" your coffee based on taste (aforementioned very light roast coffees prefer a finer setting in my experience)
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